[OU] want to upgrade, but ....

Discussion:

R N

2010-03-08 01:22:56 UTC

I'm running Opera 9.62.
Lots and lots of bookmarks, notes, widgets, and all the settings the way I
like 'em.
but I'm wanting to upgrade to the most recent release (10.50 isn't it?).
I know I can save and/or move the bookmarks, notes, other files (done it
before).
Will upgrading OVER my current installation 'convert' anything, that would
make it difficult to go back to 9.62 if I'm not happy with the upgrade?
I know I can put it in a new folder and do it as a new installation, but I
really don't want that. One 'puter I had about 7 differernt Opera
installations, and don't want to do that again.
So will upgrading make it impossible to go back?
thanks!
Ruth

Ledgem

2010-03-08 01:33:13 UTC

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Hi Ruth,

If you're running Opera on Windows, all of the settings are kept in one folder: c:\program files\Opera. Just copy that folder to some location and that way, if you don't like the new Opera, you can just overwrite the new folder with the old one and you'll be all set.

If you're using Linux or Mac OS X, then the Opera folders you'll need to copy are a bit scattered around the computer.

Either way, the upgrade shouldn't mess anything up for you.

Cheers,
David

Post by R N
I'm running Opera 9.62.
Lots and lots of bookmarks, notes, widgets, and all the settings the way I
like 'em.
but I'm wanting to upgrade to the most recent release (10.50 isn't it?).
I know I can save and/or move the bookmarks, notes, other files (done it
before).
Will upgrading OVER my current installation 'convert' anything, that would
make it difficult to go back to 9.62 if I'm not happy with the upgrade?
I know I can put it in a new folder and do it as a new installation, but I
really don't want that. One 'puter I had about 7 differernt Opera
installations, and don't want to do that again.
So will upgrading make it impossible to go back?
thanks!
Ruth

John Silby

2010-03-08 03:00:53 UTC

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I have very limited experience with Opera under Linux, and none at all
with Mac, so the following comments apply only to Windows.

I agree that the upgrade shouldn't mess up anything - Opera is pretty good
at upgrading without upsetting existing settings.

CAUTION: I believe an exception to this is if you're using Opera's email
client in v9.62 - Opera 10 uses a different mail format and you won't be
able to go back to 9.62's mail format once Opera has updated. If you're
using the email client I'd recommend backing up the mail folder so that
you can reinstall 9.62 if you need to and then copy the mail back. On my
system the mail folder is located at:
C:\Documents and Settings\John Silby\Local Settings\Application
Data\Opera\Opera\mail (substitute your Windows username for my name).

I disagree with David in that in all the versions of Opera that I've used,
the settings have NEVER been in the Program Files\Opera folder. This may
vary between versions of Windows - I'm using Windows XP Home. The mail
folder is as above. Some settings are in:
C:\Documents and Settings\John Silby\Local Settings\Application
Data\Opera\Opera, but most (including the .ini files, and the bookmarks,
notes and contacts files) are in:
C:\Documents and Settings\John Silby\Application Data\Opera\Opera.

Thus, for me at least, backing up data is not simply a matter of copying
the Program Files\Opera folder.

John

Post by Ledgem
Hi Ruth,
If you're running Opera on Windows, all of the settings are kept in one
folder: c:\program files\Opera. Just copy that folder to some location
and that way, if you don't like the new Opera, you can just overwritethe
new folder with the old one and you'll be all set.
Either way, the upgrade shouldn't mess anything up for you.
Cheers,
David

Ledgem

2010-03-08 03:41:54 UTC

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Thanks for the correction, and sorry if I led anyone astray. I started using Opera with version 6, I believe, and perhaps the default at that time was to include the mail folder (and seemingly all other settings) in the Program Files\Opera folder. It made backing up Opera very easy. I'm not sure why the developers are scattering the data across multiple folders now; it's a pity.

If you'd like to trace where all of your data is, simply go to About Opera (last I was on Windows, it was under the Help menu, but they may have moved it?). It will show you the directory paths of various directories. Backing up the mail folder and bookmarks are the critical items for most people; preferences, saved sessions, plug-in path, and user CSS may also be worth backing up. In the event that you dislike your new version of Opera, remove it and install an older version (or just move your old version back into place) and you should be set.

One final note about this process - if you install Opera and it doesn't seem to be finding your old things in their old locations, using the "About Opera" screen can be helpful. There's always a chance that Opera is looking for those items in different locations than you have them. This is more of a concern if you do a fresh install of Opera, or if you're changing operating systems (Windows to Mac OS X, for example). In those cases, you may also have to go in and do some editing of initialization files to redirect them to new directory paths, as well. It sounds worse than it is, and for you, Ruth, this isn't likely to come up for you. Just figured I'd mention it.

David

Post by John Silby
I have very limited experience with Opera under Linux, and none at all
with Mac, so the following comments apply only to Windows.
I agree that the upgrade shouldn't mess up anything - Opera is pretty good
at upgrading without upsetting existing settings.
CAUTION: I believe an exception to this is if you're using Opera's email
client in v9.62 - Opera 10 uses a different mail format and you won't be
able to go back to 9.62's mail format once Opera has updated. If you're
using the email client I'd recommend backing up the mail folder so that
you can reinstall 9.62 if you need to and then copy the mail back. On my
C:\Documents and Settings\John Silby\Local Settings\Application
Data\Opera\Opera\mail (substitute your Windows username for my name).
I disagree with David in that in all the versions of Opera that I've used,
the settings have NEVER been in the Program Files\Opera folder. This may
vary between versions of Windows - I'm using Windows XP Home. The mail
C:\Documents and Settings\John Silby\Local Settings\Application
Data\Opera\Opera, but most (including the .ini files, and the bookmarks,
C:\Documents and Settings\John Silby\Application Data\Opera\Opera.
Thus, for me at least, backing up data is not simply a matter of copying
the Program Files\Opera folder.
John

Katrina Knight

2010-03-08 04:15:09 UTC

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Post by John Silby
I disagree with David in that in all the versions of Opera that
I've used, the settings have NEVER been in the Program
Files\Opera folder. This may vary between versions of Windows -
I'm using Windows XP Home. The mail folder is as above. Some
C:\Documents and Settings\John Silby\Local Settings\Application
Data\Opera\Opera, but most (including the .ini files, and the
C:\Documents and Settings\John Silby\Application
Data\Opera\Opera.

The location of various files depends on whether you check or
uncheck the check box for whether you want to use the same
profile for all users when you initially install Eudora. If it
is unchecked, you get the results above. If it is checked, the
settings and mail files and various others end up within the
"profile" subdirectory of the Opera program directory.

--
Katrina Knight
***@gmail.com

John Silby

2010-03-08 04:30:27 UTC

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Katrina

That's not my experience. Several times when installing Opera I tried
that, but on my system it made no difference - I always ended up with the
various files in the Documents and Settings folder.

And I think you meant Opera, not Eudora :)

John

The location of various files depends on whether you check or uncheck
the check box for whether you want to use the same profile for all users
when you initially install Eudora. If it is unchecked, you get the
results above. If it is checked, the settings and mail files and various
others end up within the "profile" subdirectory of the Opera program
directory.

Katrina Knight

2010-03-08 14:46:21 UTC

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Post by John Silby
That's not my experience. Several times when installing Opera I
tried
that, but on my system it made no difference - I always ended
up with the
various files in the Documents and Settings folder.

There may be other factors too. Were you doing clean installs?
(You don't get asked when installing over a working existing
installation in my experience.) Were you using the classic
installer or the msi installer? (The msi installer is the one
you get if you don't make an effort to get the classic
installer.) I use the classic installer and 10.5 definitely
still puts those files under the program directory if I tell it
to use the same profile for all users. The version of Windows
may matter as well. Newer versions of Windows really don't like
data files within the program files directory, but I'm not sure
it is even possible to choose to use a single profile under
Vista and Win7 anyway. I can't say I've really tried to do that.
Apart from my own computers, which run XP, most of the installs
I do make sense to do without trying to use a single profile.

Regardless of which variables affect the installation, both
descriptions of file locations can be correct and are normal
ways of installing Opera.

Post by John Silby
And I think you meant Opera, not Eudora :)

Obviously. :-) I was answering other messages about Eudora.

--
Katrina Knight
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John Silby

2010-03-09 01:22:06 UTC

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Katrina

It made no difference whether it was a clean install or an upgrade. Sorry,
I don't know what you mean when you refer to classic installer.

John

There may be other factors too. Were you doing clean installs? (You
don't get asked when installing over a working existing installation in
my experience.) Were you using the classic installer or the msi
installer? (The msi installer is the one you get if you don't make an
effort to get the classic installer.) I use the classic installer and
10.5 definitely still puts those files under the program directory if I
tell it to use the same profile for all users. The version of Windowsmay
matter as well. Newer versions of Windows really don't like datafiles
within the program files directory, but I'm not sure it is evenpossible
to choose to use a single profile under Vista and Win7 anyway.I can't
say I've really tried to do that. Apart from my own computers,which run
XP, most of the installs I do make sense to do without tryingto use a
single profile.

Bessenyei Balázs

2010-03-08 06:24:37 UTC

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There shouldn`t be a problem. However I`m uncertain about mail/rss.
A backup would be a good idea. The opera:about page should tell you the
most important locations that need to be backed up. Also this information
is helpful because some cases not all files are recognized after the
update. The opera:about page can tell you the new location, sou you can do
the manual copy.
Also if you have installed 9.62 in a single user mode, there is a high
probability that the installer resets it. In this case
operaprefs_default.ini needs to be edited to disable multi user mode
again. If the paths on the opera:about page contains "User" or "Document
and Settings" then you have installed it in multi user mode.
After the upgrade some files will be renamed, but their content should
remain compatible. One of them is the opera6.ini which will be called
operaprefs.ini

Also if you have bookmarks and other customization, you can use Opera link
which can help to transfer settings over.

Post by R N
I'm running Opera 9.62.
Lots and lots of bookmarks, notes, widgets, and all the settings the
way I
like 'em.
but I'm wanting to upgrade to the most recent release (10.50 isn't it?).
I know I can save and/or move the bookmarks, notes, other files (done it
before).
Will upgrading OVER my current installation 'convert' anything, that would
make it difficult to go back to 9.62 if I'm not happy with the upgrade?
I know I can put it in a new folder and do it as a new installation,
but I
really don't want that. One 'puter I had about 7 differernt Opera
installations, and don't want to do that again.
So will upgrading make it impossible to go back?
thanks!
Ruth

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Harry Lake

2010-03-08 10:55:07 UTC

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Post by R N
I'm running Opera 9.62.
Lots and lots of bookmarks, notes, widgets, and all the settings the
way I like 'em.
but I'm wanting to upgrade to the most recent release (10.50 isn't it?).
I know I can save and/or move the bookmarks, notes, other files
(done it before).
Will upgrading OVER my current installation 'convert' anything, that
would make it difficult to go back to 9.62 if I'm not happy with the upgrade?
I know I can put it in a new folder and do it as a new installation,
but I really don't want that. One 'puter I had about 7 differernt
Opera installations, and don't want to do that again.
So will upgrading make it impossible to go back?

I really do not think there is much chance that you will not like
your new Opera. As I write this, I am still running 10.10 on my
laptop, but I have installed 10.50 on my netbook. 10.10 was easily
the best Opera so far, really a big advance on 9.6x in my experience
- so that even if I had had to fiddle about to get things right, it
would have been worth it. One of the really great things about 10.10
and 10.50 is the automatic synchronization of bookmarks between your
various computers (of course, I don't know if you use more than one).
Yesterday my girlfriend wanted to send me a message on my laptop, but
she received a message to say it was offline - but my netbook wasn't,
so why not send her message to that!? Fantastic. I am sure you will
love Opera Unite, and there are some great user Javascript
applications you can install (first of all, take the User JS
installer app, which makes installing any further UJS apps an
absolute doddle), either from the Opera site or from
http://extendopera.org/ . My favourites are the Google pager, which
automatically loads the next page of Google hits when your scrolling
reaches the bottom of the page, and the dynamic image sizer, which
automatically resizes images to fit the screen but allows you to
single-click for the full-size image or double-click for vertical
fitting, great for looking at panoramas as if you were turningn your
head, rather than as a single image. None of these things are avialble on 9.6x.

One thing I found very odd about 10.50 was that by default the main
menu was not installed. Maybe this is because the program knew I was
running it on a small-screen computer (1024 x 600 instead of 768, so
one can see the logic of saving a bit of height), but not installing
the main menu seems very odd to me, especially as I could find no
reference to how to install it. Eventually someone on the Developers
Blog pointed the way.

So why haven't I installed 10.50 on my latpop? Just because I first
want to be sure it works OK on the netbook. At present I am working
(i.e. doing my job as a translator) on the laptop, so I really don't
want anything going wrong. (Not that correct running on one
necessarily means correct running on the other, of course...) And of
course when I get home I shall be installing it on my desktop computer too.

HTH
Harry
PS The developers blog is well worth following!
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/

R N

2010-03-08 13:45:16 UTC

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Thank ya'll for your input.
I don't use Opera for email, so even if it did convert the mail folders, no
big deal. However, the rss feeds is another story!
I'm running Opera on XP Pro, and the computer has two user profiles.
And I found it rather confusing a while back when I discovered Opera had hid
settings files in
- Documents&Settings/userprofile/Application Data/Opera
AND
- Documents&Settings/userprofile/Local Settings/Opera (which is a
normally HIDDEN folder!)
I'm not really interested in Unite, as it would seem to me one's computer
would have to be on and online all the time.
I am interested in how it would allow widgets to be stand alone.
I wasn't too happy with Opera Link when I tried it. I'd wanted to synch the
installation of Opera at work to my home laptop. I'd set up the home laptop
just fine, but the work computer just would not work with it, never got it
synchronized. So not too excited about that.
But there are always new bells and whistles on newer Opera versions that
have kept me coming back for more.
Thanks again for your answers.
Respectfully,
Ruth

Harry Lake

2010-03-08 14:07:57 UTC

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Post by R N
...
I wasn't too happy with Opera Link when I tried it. I'd wanted to
synch the installation of Opera at work to my home laptop. I'd set
up the home laptop just fine, but the work computer just would not
work with it, never got it synchronized. So not too excited about that.

Ummm, how did you do that if you were running 9.62? Surely
synchronizing didn't come in till 10.x? Could be wrong though!

Harry

R N

2010-03-08 20:53:26 UTC

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Hello!

Ummm, how did you do that if you were running 9.62? Surely synchronizing
didn't come in till 10.x? Could be wrong though!
Opera Link was introduced with 9.5, according to the changelogs page.
I tried out 10.50 the other day and I had no main menu to start with, and
I'm running at 1280x1024, so it's not a size thing. However, my dabble in
10.50 land didn't last long as it was crashing on every other page when I
was doing my normal browsing of emails and Facebook, even though I installed
it in a clean profile.

The lack of the Menu doesn't really bother me too much, as I seldom use it.
However, the FB crashing could be problematic, as I heavily use FaceBook.
What did it do? Frequently the apps don't work right, and recently I was
having trouble with messages, even on 9.62.
Thanks!
Ruth

David Hayward

2010-03-08 21:48:32 UTC

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Hi there,

Post by R N
Hello!
I tried out 10.50 the other day and I had no main menu to start with, and

Post by David Hayward
I'm running at 1280x1024, so it's not a size thing. However, my dabble in
10.50 land didn't last long as it was crashing on every other page when I
was doing my normal browsing of emails and Facebook, even though I installed
it in a clean profile.

For me it was crashing just trying to load a page. I'd go to my Facebook
home page, click to open a tab in the background (like my requests, or a
profile page), and then it would just randomly crash. It was crashing on
about every second page I tried to look at.

It seems that in the mad rush to get 10.50 ready for the Windows 7 browser
choice menu they neglected a lot of stability testing. Hopefully it becomes
more stable before people start trying it out, otherwise it could get some
flack.

Or maybe it's just my setup. Windows 7 64 bit, currently running 10.10.
Maybe it pulled in some settings from the current install, even though I put
it in its own directory. I was really looking forward to the improved
javascript as I play a few games on there that rely heavily on javascript.

Harry Lake

2010-03-08 22:12:44 UTC

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Post by R N
Hello!
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Harry Lake
Ummm, how did you do that if you were running 9.62? Surely
synchronizing didn't come in till 10.x? Could be wrong though!
Opera Link was introduced with 9.5, according to the changelogs page.

Oops, sorry. There you are - I said I could be wrong!

H

Rodger A Headifen

2010-03-11 20:33:32 UTC

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Hi,

Its changed by the "File / Show menu bar

Post by R N
Hello!

Post by Harry Lake
Ummm, how did you do that if you were running 9.62? Surely
synchronizing
didn't come in till 10.x? Could be wrong though!
Opera Link was introduced with 9.5, according to the changelogs page.
I tried out 10.50 the other day and I had no main menu to start with, and
I'm running at 1280x1024, so it's not a size thing. However, my dabble in
10.50 land didn't last long as it was crashing on every other page when I
was doing my normal browsing of emails and Facebook, even though I installed
it in a clean profile.

--
Kind Regards

Rodger

David Hayward

2010-03-08 14:37:12 UTC

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Hi,

One thing I found *very* odd about 10.50 was that by default the main
menu was not installed. Maybe this is because the program knew I was running
it on a small-screen computer (1024 x 600 instead of 768, so one can see the
logic of saving a bit of height), but not installing the main menu seems
very odd to me, especially as I could find no reference to how to install
it. Eventually someone on the Developers Blog pointed the way.

I tried out 10.50 the other day and I had no main menu to start with, and
I'm running at 1280x1024, so it's not a size thing. However, my dabble in
10.50 land didn't last long as it was crashing on every other page when I
was doing my normal browsing of emails and Facebook, even though I installed
it in a clean profile.

Frank Burczynski

2010-03-09 06:46:08 UTC

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Same here. On Desktop PC and Netbook Opera did not install the main menu. I
had to figure out all my old configuration after updating.

Grüsse

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Hi,

On 8 March 2010 10:54, Harry Lake <***@wxs.nl> wrote:

One thing I found very odd about 10.50 was that by default the main menu was
not installed. Maybe this is because the program knew I was running it on a
small-screen computer (1024 x 600 instead of 768, so one can see the logic
of saving a bit of height), but not installing the main menu seems very odd
to me, especially as I could find no reference to how to install it.
Eventually someone on the Developers Blog pointed the way.

I tried out 10.50 the other day and I had no main menu to start with, and
I'm running at 1280x1024, so it's not a size thing. However, my dabble in
10.50 land didn't last long as it was crashing on every other page when I
was doing my normal browsing of emails and Facebook, even though I installed
it in a clean profile.

Rodger A Headifen

2010-03-11 20:52:50 UTC

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Hi,

Its changed by the "File / Show menu bar

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:46:24 +1400, Frank Burczynski

Post by Frank Burczynski
Same here. On Desktop PC and Netbook Opera did not install the main menu. I
had to figure out all my old configuration after updating.
Grüsse
Frank Burczynski
J.A.B. JKD Akademie Berlin + IMAG e.V.
http://www.jkdberlin.de
Kastanienallee 32
10435 Berlin
Vereinsregister Nr. 17317 Nz AG Charlottenburg/Berlin
Tel: 030 - 440 54 764 (ab 18:00 Uhr)
KKB - Das Kampfkunstboard
http://www.kampfkunst-board.info
Wachsmuthstr. 14
13467 Berlin
Tel: 0177 - 693 63 26
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Gesendet: Montag, 8. März 2010 15:37
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Hi,
One thing I found very odd about 10.50 was that by default the main menu was
not installed. Maybe this is because the program knew I was running it on a
small-screen computer (1024 x 600 instead of 768, so one can see the logic
of saving a bit of height), but not installing the main menu seems very odd
to me, especially as I could find no reference to how to install it.
Eventually someone on the Developers Blog pointed the way.
I tried out 10.50 the other day and I had no main menu to start with, and
I'm running at 1280x1024, so it's not a size thing. However, my dabble in
10.50 land didn't last long as it was crashing on every other page when I
was doing my normal browsing of emails and Facebook, even though I installed
it in a clean profile.

--
Kind Regards

Rodger

R N

2010-03-12 02:03:37 UTC

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hello!

well, I read about Opera 10.50 for usb, so downloaded it, installed it
on a thumbdrive, and played with it.
It's ok. Not as much of an improvement as I'd hoped it would be. But
liked it enough to update my work computer with it.
Not too keen on update my home computer, yet.
thanks for the inputs!

Ruth

Rodger A Headifen

2010-03-12 16:41:38 UTC

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Hi Ruth,

Interesting, I haven't tried or read about that idea yet, does it run
completely from the usb and away from the main HD ?

I'm using 10.50 on my pc's its good seems to run ok, i see a few users are
needing to get around the new layout ideas ;)

Post by R N
hello!
well, I read about Opera 10.50 for usb, so downloaded it, installed it
on a thumbdrive, and played with it.
It's ok. Not as much of an improvement as I'd hoped it would be. But
liked it enough to update my work computer with it.
Not too keen on update my home computer, yet.
thanks for the inputs!
Ruth
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R N

2010-03-13 03:55:08 UTC

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Hello!

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Rodger A Headifen

Post by Ledgem
Hi Ruth,
Interesting, I haven't tried or read about that idea yet, does it run
completely from the usb and away from the main HD ?

Yes, it doesn't install anything on your computer with the exception
of the new widget functionality in 10.50. Those do get installed on
the HD. And from what I've read in the users forum, they aren't
working.

http://www.opera-usb.com/

Post by Ledgem
I'm using 10.50 on my pc's its good seems to run ok, i see a few users are
needing to get around the new layout ideas ;)

It is taking some getting used to.

Ruth

Harry Lake

2010-03-13 10:07:18 UTC

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Post by R N
Hello!
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Rodger A Headifen

Post by Ledgem
Hi Ruth,
Interesting, I haven't tried or read about that idea yet, does it run
completely from the usb and away from the main HD ?

Post by Ledgem
I'm using 10.50 on my pc's its good seems to run ok, i see a few users are
needing to get around the new layout ideas ;)

It is taking some getting used to.

They've now released a 'snapshot' 10.51. I have been having trouble
with the program simply hanging. I can still close it down, but then
I have to use the Task Manager to close down the 'process'. In other
words, it looks as if the program has closed (it disappears from the
list of applications in the T.M.), but it then won't reload - starts
up and closes down in half a second - so I went to the Processes tab
and there it still was.

Personally I find it very irritating that the Main Menu has been
turned off by default, yet there are no clear instructions as to how
to turn it on - until you find them more or less by accident. The
procedure is described in answers to my mutterings on about page 13
of the comments to the release of 10.50.

HTH

Harry

John Silby

2010-03-13 11:30:20 UTC

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Harry

Your post prompts two comments:

(1) I'm using 10.50 on Windows XP Home and I've only had a couple of
problems (and those were my own fault), so I don't have any complaints
about the new release. It's running fine for me, even using the mail
client.

(2) The non-appearance of the menu bar in the default install is annoying,
and I can't see any logical reason for that. It's easily fixed, though:
(a) type opera:config into the address bar
(b) type menu into the search box
(c) under User Prefs check the Show Menu box

I don't know if that's the way you fixed yours, but I thought I'd post the
info here in case someone else is annoyed and can't figure out how to get
the menu to appear.

John

Post by Harry Lake
They've now released a 'snapshot' 10.51. I have been having trouble
with the program simply hanging. I can still close it down, but then
I have to use the Task Manager to close down the 'process'. In other
words, it looks as if the program has closed (it disappears from the
list of applications in the T.M.), but it then won't reload - starts
up and closes down in half a second - so I went to the Processes tab
and there it still was.
Personally I find it very irritating that the Main Menu has been
turned off by default, yet there are no clear instructions as to how
to turn it on - until you find them more or less by accident. The
procedure is described in answers to my mutterings on about page 13
of the comments to the release of 10.50.
HTH
Harry

David Hayward

2010-03-13 23:46:09 UTC

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Hi,

Post by John Silby
(2) The non-appearance of the menu bar in the default install is annoying,
(a) type opera:config into the address bar
(b) type menu into the search box
(c) under User Prefs check the Show Menu box

You can do it easier by clicking the Opera O in the top left and clicking
the "Show Menu Bar" item. Although that doesn't help you now...

David.

Harry Lake

2010-03-14 12:35:17 UTC

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Hi,
On 13 March 2010 10:29, John Silby
(2) The non-appearance of the menu bar in the default install is
annoying, and I can't see any logical reason for that. It's easily
(a) type opera:config into the address bar
(b) type menu into the search box
(c) under User Prefs check the Show Menu box
You can do it easier by clicking the Opera O in the top left and
clicking the "Show Menu Bar" item. Although that doesn't help you now...

That was the way I was told about, but I didn't have the Opera O, not
the big one anyway - and it wasn't red, either! Still, I got there by
another route suggested by someone else, which was C trl-F12,
Advanced, Toolbars, Opera Standard. This produced the O, and then
there wasa drop-down menu with Show Main Menu.

The logic, John, at least as it has been put to me by someone on the
developers blog, is essentially that no one uses it any more...

Thanks John and David!

Harry

Bart Hansen

2010-03-14 13:04:42 UTC

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Just about every couple of days I find another part of Opera that is
not working or working poorly.

Now, it's my Logitech cordless mouse that has lost some features on some sites.

Bart, still wondering why Opera needs to work as a server when both
Opera Unite and Auto-Update are disabled.

Bessenyei Balázs

2010-03-14 13:14:42 UTC

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The "needs to work as a server" is poorly phased. Actually it means the
application has received an inbound connection. It can happen to any
application if the machine is connected to open Internet without firewall
or it is not behind a router.

Post by Bart Hansen
Just about every couple of days I find another part of Opera that is
not working or working poorly.
Now, it's my Logitech cordless mouse that has lost some features on some sites.
Bart, still wondering why Opera needs to work as a server when both
Opera Unite and Auto-Update are disabled.
--

--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Bart Hansen

2010-03-14 13:42:09 UTC

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I have the ZoneAlarm Pro firewall as well as a LinkSys router. During
many years of using that config with Opera, version 10 is the first to
cause ZAP to prompt me to allow "the Opera browser to accept
connections from the Internet". For years my ZAP pgm settings for
Opera have called for prompts in the case of both trusted and Internet
server use, but until now I have never any of these prompts.

These prompts come sporadically, in bursts, and make no sense to me. I
always deny them and notice no ill effects from doing so.

Bart
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Post by Bessenyei BalÃ¡zs
The "needs to work as a server" is poorly phased. Actually it means the
application has received an inbound connection. It can happen to any
application if the machine is connected to open Internet without firewall or
it is not behind a router.

Harry Lake

2010-03-15 18:14:49 UTC

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Post by John Silby
Harry
(1) I'm using 10.50 on Windows XP Home and I've only had a couple of
problems (and those were my own fault), so I don't have any complaints
about the new release. It's running fine for me, even using the mail
client.
(2) The non-appearance of the menu bar in the default install is annoying,
(a) type opera:config into the address bar
(b) type menu into the search box
(c) under User Prefs check the Show Menu box
I don't know if that's the way you fixed yours, but I thought I'd post the
info here in case someone else is annoyed and can't figure out how to get
the menu to appear.

Let me thank you once again for this invaluable tip, John! I somehow
stumbled across 'Turn off the Speed Dial search box' (or words to
that effect), and was delighted to get rid of that curiously
useless-seeming and space-consuming item - and then found, when I
came to do the same in my netbook, that I couldn't for the life of me
find my way back to it. I had never even heard of the Preferences
Editor before your message arrived! Using your method, however, I
soon found the spot simply by searching for 'search'. Emptying the
Speed Dial Search Type box has deleted the wretched thing and made
all my Speed Dial buttons bigger and better!

Now to go to the website and find the wishlist page. I can't
understand why we don't have the option of a 5 x 3 grid on the Speed Dial.

Cheers,

Harry

Rodger A Headifen

2010-03-15 22:06:17 UTC

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Post by Harry Lake

also File drop menu, TICK show menu bar...

Post by Harry Lake

Post by John Silby
I don't know if that's the way you fixed yours, but I thought I'd post the
info here in case someone else is annoyed and can't figure out how to get
the menu to appear.

Let me thank you once again for this invaluable tip, John! I somehow
stumbled across 'Turn off the Speed Dial search box' (or words to
that effect), and was delighted to get rid of that curiously
useless-seeming and space-consuming item - and then found, when I
came to do the same in my netbook, that I couldn't for the life of me
find my way back to it. I had never even heard of the Preferences
Editor before your message arrived! Using your method, however, I
soon found the spot simply by searching for 'search'. Emptying the
Speed Dial Search Type box has deleted the wretched thing and made
all my Speed Dial buttons bigger and better!
Now to go to the website and find the wishlist page. I can't
understand why we don't have the option of a 5 x 3 grid on the Speed Dial.

It is possible to EDIT the speed dial from within, Opera's speeddial.ini

ie. my speed dial... which I have placed at the bottom of the config file

--------------------
[Size]
Rows=5
Columns=6
---------------------

You can also from the MAIN Speed dial page do simple edits, hide and then
bring it back again.

I hope this helps everyone out there....

Post by Harry Lake
Cheers,
Harry

Harry Lake

2010-03-15 23:02:48 UTC

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Post by Rodger A Headifen

Post by Harry Lake

also File drop menu, TICK show menu bar...

Good God, hadn't noticed that! What the hell...? If you can see that
tick box, the menu bar is already on. If you untick it, the menu it's
on will disappear. The name Kafka comes to mind (though it may not be
entirely appropriate, but you get my drift).

Post by Rodger A Headifen

Post by Harry Lake

Post by John Silby
I don't know if that's the way you fixed yours, but I thought I'd post the
info here in case someone else is annoyed and can't figure out how to get
the menu to appear.

Let me thank you once again for this invaluable tip, John! I somehow
stumbled across 'Turn off the Speed Dial search box' (or words to
that effect), and was delighted to get rid of that curiously
useless-seeming and space-consuming item - and then found, when I
came to do the same in my netbook, that I couldn't for the life of me
find my way back to it. I had never even heard of the Preferences
Editor before your message arrived! Using your method, however, I
soon found the spot simply by searching for 'search'. Emptying the
Speed Dial Search Type box has deleted the wretched thing and made
all my Speed Dial buttons bigger and better!
Now to go to the website and find the wishlist page. I can't
understand why we don't have the option of a 5 x 3 grid on the Speed Dial.

Yes, I've just discovered this from stuff on the user forum, where I
found people talking about having (in one case) up to 49 buttons
(crazy if you ask me, but then you aren't). I had actually been
looking for the right place to suggest adding a 5x3 matrix to the
menu, as my netbook has such a wide screen. Not sure how convenient
it will be on the ancient non-widescreen monitor I have hooked up to
my desktop. I wonder if Opera Link synchronization includes the
number of buttons. I suppose it must.

Post by Rodger A Headifen
You can also from the MAIN Speed dial page do simple edits, hide and then
bring it back again.
I hope this helps everyone out there....

Bound to!

Cheers,
Harry

John Silby

2010-03-16 05:35:29 UTC

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LOL! You're right, but thanks for the laugh.

John

Post by Harry Lake
Good God, hadn't noticed that! What the hell...? If you can see that
tick box, the menu bar is already on. If you untick it, the menu it's
on will disappear. The name Kafka comes to mind (though it may not be
entirely appropriate, but you get my drift).
Cheers,
Harry

Harry Lake

2010-03-16 11:08:46 UTC

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Post by John Silby
LOL! You're right, but thanks for the laugh.
John

Maybe it's a Norwegian joke...? Hallvord?

Malcolm Austen

2010-03-16 13:19:20 UTC

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Post by Harry Lake
Good God, hadn't noticed that! What the hell...? If you can see that
tick box, the menu bar is already on. If you untick it, the menu it's on
will disappear. The name Kafka comes to mind (though it may not be
entirely appropriate, but you get my drift).

It's not that bad ... if you turn off the menu bar then you can turn it
back on from the big red O on the left end of the tab bar.

But ... if you have turned off the tab bar you are not entirely stuffed
... right click on any bar that you still have showing to get into
'appearance' and then you can turn back on the tab bar which you can then
use to turn on the menu bar.

Oh dear, oh dear ... why can't I turn the menu bar back on directly from
the 'appearance' panel?

I quite like the way the tab bar is moved up into the blue 'windows' space
but it's sad that stops when the personal bar is turned on. I guess I will
have to see if I can live with the personal bar at the bottom instead of
at the top :-)

One thing I don't like ... in 10.2 with the menu bar off, the menus are
very clearly shown as a separate column via the button on the left end of
the tab bar (it's not a big red O in 10.2 so I didn't call it that!) ...
in 10.5 I think everything from the menu bar is there, but it's sort of
jumbled in with everything so clear "Menu > Tools > xyz" won't work.

Just some mumblings from Malcolm.

--
Malcolm Austen, Oxfordshire, England

Harry Lake

2010-03-16 13:46:50 UTC

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Post by Malcolm Austen

Post by Harry Lake
Good God, hadn't noticed that! What the hell...? If you can see that
tick box, the menu bar is already on. If you untick it, the menu it's on
will disappear. The name Kafka comes to mind (though it may not be
entirely appropriate, but you get my drift).

It's not that bad ... if you turn off the menu bar then you can turn it
back on from the big red O on the left end of the tab bar.

Yes, but only if it's there. In my case, it isn't. I don't know why
not, but it isn't. I did have it once, though not until I switched to
the default toolbar or something, and even then it was grey, not red.

Still, everything seems to be working now.

Can we send attachments on this list? Or embedded images?
Alternatively, is there a place on the website for list-related
images or other files?

Harry